I Found My Truth: Saima Firdoos MD Part 2

That's where I belong nowhere and I belong everywhere. And that's what my gift is.

Do you ever feel like this path was just the destined path?

Everything was taking me, my philosophy, my Sufism, my religion, taking me back to that part of India that I am from. The scriptures and hence Ayurveda and breathing and breathwork and yoga. And that is what has really healed me.

People that hold on the hardest are the ones that know that they've got soul work to do. What are you clinging on to? More advances in health care, more advances in health care. It's taking them away and away and more, further and further and further into this disease of never letting go.

In that, we live in a world where religions divide, wars have been fought for centuries, right? I mean, many of the things we see play out today are nothing new, right? It's not anything. It's always better. Yeah, it's, it's, um, it is what it is. Uh, and maybe even more brutal in years past. I mean, I look at the time of Mongols, they will just burn the whole, um, country. They will just, wherever they will go, it'll be burned. So, you know, I mean, there's been slavery for, uh, going back centuries. That's not something new to the United States. That's, I mean, that's been going on forever and a day. It's an interesting thing.

Uh, so many of the things that you've talked about today are so deep and so, um, thought provoking. It's so far from the interview. What have you thought?

Yeah.

I mean, I thought we'd get onto this, right? I thought this was going to be like in episode two, but we kind of started with episode two and, and, uh, we kind of bypassed a lot of the things that I thought we were going to talk about, which is fine.

So it's not about me, it's about you and it's about sort of what your thought processes are and how you look at the world and what you value and what is peak performance. Peak performance, uh, and I, you know, I don't want to put words in your mouth. It feels to me like peak performance to you is a constant and never ending quest for the new knowledge and assimilation of that knowledge and, uh, evaluating it. Does that belong here or does that go? Is that a fair assessment?

Absolutely.

I'm so thankful to you for giving me an opportunity to talk freely with you. That was very important because this is also my first, uh, podcast where I'm talking about all of this. Um, it's in my book and it's going to be in my movie part of it. Um, but for me to also say these things out loud, um, I believe in all of these. A lot of people won't understand or agree with these things.

So it is important for me to also put it out who I am because when people will see me with each other, they will say, oh, she belongs to us. Oh, she's, she's us. And they will see me with the, the, the short dress. They will say, oh my God, she doesn't belong here. Oh, you know, that other party will say, oh, she's like us. She's like, you know, cool and hippie. So that's, that's fair.

I belong nowhere and I belong everywhere. And, and that's what my gift is that I understand and I respect and I'm deeply thankful for all this experience. And I just want to share my experience and I want people to, um, build their own experiences, um, on what they think is right. And I'm also not saying what I said is the ultimate truth. This is my truth.

I love that. I love that.

Um, oftentimes, you know, again, shows not about me, but, you know, people ask me, what are you doing from a supplementation standpoint? What are you doing from this? It doesn't matter what I'm doing. I'm end up one. This is, this is, I am, you know, there's so many factors in that. We will talk about the health side of things. No, there must be something in you. That's why we connected because I really believe that people connect when it's time for them to connect.

Hmm.

I believe that too. I feel that so strongly now more than ever. That's sort of the right.

I'll, I'll share this with you. Um, so I do this stair workout every Sunday and in that stair workout, it was coming to an evolution, you know, where it was like getting towards the tail end of the workout and something came to me. And it was like, you know, I had this vision of being in a river and holding on to a rock. And I just said, I'm going to let go. And I'm just going to let the river take me where it takes me. And it was like a really freeing. I was sort of like, I may be holding on to something that just is not even the right thing for me at all. And maybe it is time to actually let go completely. It's sort of like, if I never let go, if I never experience where the energy is taking me.

You know, I actually want to, I wanted to say this before, but I just held it to me. But, you know, when you talk about all these tech, biotech, healthcare advances and all this, what I see is very painful.

I have worked recently. I was working in LTAC, which is a facility that people who are long-term care, they have a trach tube in their throat and or ventilator. And some people are actually, they get better, some people are young and we have an accident, they can, you know, months and months and they get better. But some people are really in a vegetative state and they're holding on to machines and they're not letting go. They're not ready to die. And I see this, I see how much resources they're taking away from young people who have a whole life ahead of them. I would rather give these resources to those young people to explore. But these people, because they have wealth, they've collected all the wealth, they never got a chance to experience that wealth, to actually live their life. You know, they've been running, running, and now it's time that they're going to die. But because they've accumulated so much wealth, they want to make sure they stay, they try on the next best solution, they even want to freeze their body for a few years. But what next? For how long? What are you clinging on to? That is why I feel like, you know, more advances in health care, more advances in health care, it's taking them away and away and more further and further and further into like, you know, this disease of never letting go.

Perhaps people that hold on the hardest are the ones that know that they've actually got soul work to do.

Right. I think people can clean up soul work. I think, I think that they can, you know, I mean, certainly in Christianity, there's the notion of repenting for your sins and, and, you know, starting anew and in the Episcopal Church, it's basically every Sunday you get that.

But how, that's, that's exactly what it is. When you repent, what does it mean by repenting? Because if you just say it, oh, I did this. And then you go again and do the same thing. And then you come again. That is not repentance.

That is not, you know, you're a hundred percent right. Sometimes you have, I think you have to do, maybe do that over and over again until it doesn't work.

And you realize now is the time for real change. And, um, who knows? I mean, I think we go through different seasons and phases in life and the pathway to peak performance for many people is, I've said this a bunch of times, is not a straight line. It can be all over the place. Some people get to it young, some people get to it older.

Yes. And that is what Maulana Rumi has actually said. And I want to share a quote with you. He says that before I was, um, intelligent and I wanted to change everybody and now I'm wiser and I just want to change myself. And, uh, because whoever has created this universe must have a plan, you know, with all these amazing individuals. And, uh, we are such a, uh, complicated creature ourselves. And there must be a plan. And we are part of the master plan. And no matter how much we think we know, and we know what to do, we don't know. And, uh, our soul will eventually learn it. And until we don't learn it, we'll keep on coming back. I, I really, this is the, the intelligent answer that I was looking for.

We don't want to just believe that there's heaven and hell and, you know, a people can, a person can go and repent and all his sins are forgiven. And whoever bad that person has done to someone, that soul is still suffering and suffering. And that soul has not forgiven that person. So what about that person who has not forgiven that person, but he's going to God to forgive him? I'm like, what kind of a God is this? So this phenomenon, I think it's, I, I can explain it. If I think about reincarnation, then I feel like, you know, you're now in a power position and you can take revenge from, and you don't even know your soul doesn't even know.

And the cycle will keep on repeating till you become cleansed. And I think that's one way to think at it. Look at it. Um, in biblical religion, we believe hell and heaven and you'll be punished there. Um, I don't know about that. I, I, I haven't experienced that yet. So I only want to talk about things that I've experienced.

And I've experienced that a person, um, is at peace and they have done certain good things and also they're connected to some sort of, again, I'm saying in religion, I really think, but not in a, in a way, not every religious person is a good person.

That's very true. As a matter of fact, there are many religious people who are really bad.

Yeah. But a person is at peace. I think mostly they are also connected to, but they, because they're good people and they're, they're connected to a scripture. And then they, even a good person will have ups and downs in their life. But when they have a low, they know to ground themselves and they know this is temporary. And they know that, you know, this, this is going to pass. They're not going to freak out with that. And they also understand this is part of the bigger, I'm part of the bigger picture. And they connect to the divine inside them when they are in the lowest.

Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom. Maybe that is that moment in time where it's like, oh, my health is so bad that, um, you know, I can come out of myself, my ego, my whatever, um, and, and seek something new that I think there are these opportunities to come closer to God.

I mean, look at all the prophets, like who else can be all the stories, the, who else has suffered more than any of the prophet.

It's true.

You know, look at Moses, like the, the struggle that he had, uh, Jesus, the struggles that he had and, and prophet Muhammad, the struggles that he had, like now it's, it's interesting. Uh, I actually had to dig so deep to understand his life story. I have to go to all the places he went and what happened because you, you look at a scripture and you take it out of context and you say, oh, he did this. So he married this and it's, you, you need to see how much he had to suffer, what was going on. He has to kill his own relatives. He has to kill people. He was told to, you have to do this, um, because, uh, he was establishing a new religion and it was his own relatives, you know, his own tribe. And I don't know. And this is the same thing that Krishna is telling Arjuna. And if you read Bhagavad Gita, it is the same thing, um, that he is, Arjuna is saying, how am I going to kill my own cousins now?

And he's saying, no, you, you have to, because it's a, it's a battle of right and wrong. And you, you have to establish a right. Uh, this is the right thing.

And, um, and, um, and prophet's grandson, uh, his name is Hussain. You mentioned somebody with this name earlier, almost all of his, um, you know, family, he had, he was killed. He was murdered because, and he, he knew he was going to be murdered. And he went into that battle, uh, to establish the truth. Because if he was not there, then whoever would, uh, little bit people who, who know that they have to sacrifice, they would not sacrifice them.

So sometimes you have to sacrifice, uh, sometimes you have to fight and it's, um, and everyone has their own fights and their own, uh, sacrifices to make. They, this is their own journey and they will learn it when they navigate through the life.

Uh, but certain rules are there already for you to know that I cannot steal from somebody. I can work hard as much as I can work hard, but one thing is I will never steal from someone else. I should not get jealous from someone else. It is an emotion that comes and go, but don't make it a permanent emotion. Uh, if someone else has more wealth, that's his destiny. Let him enjoy his wealth. Uh, what I have, let me be at peace with what I have in the moment. Let me enjoy this.

Once we learn to do that, just like whatever you're born with, if you understand, this must be your karma that we are born into wealth or into, uh, into poor, into sickness or into health.

We have to make this the best for us. We have to become the best version of ourselves. And to get to that realization is very hard. What helped me was, you know, like this travel and connecting to different souls, but traveling took me to one another. And then I realized now what I can do is I can actually sit in my home, meditate, relax, silent meditation for 10 days. And I think that really helped.

Wow. That, you know, when I hear that people doing that, I'm like, that's next level. I mean, that's like fasting on a whole.

So I actually was fasting. So this was the, I think that that is the best thing that has happened to me. And that also happened by accident because I had a huge fight with my husband and he left the house and I was going through like so much, so much deep trauma because I'm so connected to him. And, um, I could see what he was doing and, and I could feel it. And I didn't know nothing would help me in that moment. No friend, no kind of no family, nothing.

That is such a profound thing right there.

Yes.

That piece right there is huge.

I was not in peace, even though I'm telling you all, I'm saying all the good things. I've been through all this journey and all this, but this, I'm talking about this March, March of 2026. And that happened. I didn't know who to go to. I, I was devastated because I'm so used to this person who's living with me constantly. He's not only my, my husband, he's also my witness. Like one incident, as I mentioned that happened in Konya where we drove back and we found that girl and I'm talking about it. There are tons of things like this that happened to me. And if I was alone, I would have thought I'm crazy or something, but because he's with me, he has witnessed a lot of things happening. So for me to lose that person was very, very devastating. And what should I do now? And I couldn't, I, I didn't know what to do. And I just shut myself in the house and I went into deep meditation.

And I was actually telling myself for five years, I'm talking to scriptures about scriptures, but I never really had time to sit with the scripture and, and read it cover to cover. And actually, uh, then I can talk to you about, or what I, what I've seen in Quran, because I've never really read Quran cover to cover myself.

So in those 10 days, I read Quran for different translations and I wrote my own interpretation of Quran. Uh, and I felt like I'm trying to teleported to that time. And this was happening. And I could see when you, because you cannot understand a book. If you, if you read it in chapters or read one chapter, one day, the other chapter a month later, because that book itself is explanatory for what has come in the previous chapter, because you have a question of why is this like this? And the answer will be in the second chapter or the third chapter. It's like, it's self-explanatory. And if you leave it in the middle, you are never going to understand it. So for those 10 days, I forgot about my husband. I forgot about everything else. I forgot about what I'm going through.

And it was maybe meant to be. And I, I just understood it. So now, I mean, if I will ever get a chance to talk about it, I will not listen to any Quran telling me, oh, but you don't know. This chapter says this. And, and this is interpretation. Interpretation happened 200 years after the death of Prophet. Muslims killed his own grandson with all of his family. The same Muslims created an interpretation 200 years ago. So why should I believe what they're telling me when they killed the prophet's grandson? So what kind of a scripture they're wearing, you know? So that's why I, you know, to understand. And that was a blessing the 10 days. And I think my heart was so broken that I couldn't find sustenance anywhere else except in the scripture.

Isn't it interesting too? And Jesus says, you know, come with me and you'll never thirst or be hungry.

That's true. And in those 10 days, I lost 30 pounds. I can share my pictures with you.

Wow.

I only ate one date and a glass of water. And that too, I was forcing myself because I was like, oh my God, I'm going to die. I'm not even eating anything.

Yeah.

And I did such intense work of like going through the whole translation. And then I was, you know, if there's a word and I don't agree with it, which I didn't agree to a lot of translation, I would Google it and I will see what are the other meanings of this word? What are the other meanings could be of this word? Because it doesn't make sense that if you interpret it this way.

So I'm at peace with whatever is in that book because I interpreted it in my way. And I found that a lot of the things that they say, they're not, it's not truth. It's not, they take it out of context and then they use it.

For example, you can marry four wives. It is completely out of context because when the religion was being built in the, in the beginning, there were many, a few men, they were all killed in the battle. So there were a lot of orphans and a lot of women who were left without a man. So that's when it was said that, you know, you can marry more than one so that you can protect those women who don't have a heart. And it's, you're talking about 14, 1500 years ago. At that time, who knows what was the situation of women at that time? Right now, women just started to vote recently here in US. And I was reading in 1919. And that was when the Afghani women were allowed to vote. And that was before American women were allowed to vote.

So things change and there's a constant transition going on in region. So that's what I think what really sustained me was the scripture. And I felt there's, there's some force larger than me.

And I also like, you know, it is very weird how I'm connected to Mary. Because that is part of my movie and it's in my book too. Like, you know, there's a chapter in Quran, which is number 19 is very special for me.

And I think it's a very divine number. And number 19 chapter is about Mary. It talks about Mary and, and you read Quran, you actually understand about other religions, you understand about Christianity, you understand about Judaism, you understand about struggle of Moses, you know, what went through, but I never read it. So I read it. So I didn't know what to talk to other people about it. So now, because I read it. And then when I read, after that, I've read Upanishads, which is the Hindu scriptures, like, Oh, my God, the realization that came to me, after reading a specific chapter, it is, I thought only I knew it, but it is written openly in Upanishad, you know. And then I realized that that's what Quran says all the time, you are not a perfect Muslim till you believe in all the previous scriptures. This is a line that is there after every, like, maybe 20 times in every chapter. You are not a prophet Muslim till you believe in every previous scripture.

Yeah, which includes the Bible.

Yes. And what we do in other scriptures, oh, we don't want to read it. Oh, this is a different religion. Because Quran is the, the end, it's like a PowerPoint presentation. Every story is a biblical story. And you won't understand the story till you read Bible. For example, there's a mention of, there was a man who slept for 100 years, and his donkey was there, and he slept, and that slept for 100 years, and then he woke up, and he saw the miracle. But you don't know who the man is, you don't know the story till you read Bible, because that is a biblical story. So I live in a different world. And that's what makes me, I don't know, alive. I feel, and there are souls in the world, there are different souls who have traveled as much as I have, in a spiritual realm. And when I see them, they meet me, I feel there, I've met them, I've known them, and they're my best friends. And, and that's what I'm looking for in the world. Like, for me, that's why I want to create the village, because I feel, different souls, who have a different journey, little kids who are doing different things, they will meet, and they will talk. Because what we have stopped, and what was killing me inside was my loneliness, because I could not find people like me.

Because once you talk about scripture, people get scared. You know, they're scared, oh, she must be Muslim. Oh, she's anti-Muslim. Oh, she's talking this against Quran. So she must not be a Muslim. We should just throw her out of Islam.

It's very dangerous, too. It's very dangerous to talk about these things. But, if I won't talk about these things, I've, it is already, like, I'm suffering, because I feel very lonely.

Well, I think also, when you have a point of view, and you're unable to express that, and create a dialogue around it.

Yes.

Then, that's just energy that is not distributed.

Yeah.

And that's, yeah, that's a lonely place to be, and that, that, going back to that sort of, um, isolation, loneliness, and alienation from others.

So you need that, the alienation piece, isolation piece, right? You need to find the people, you need to find the people that see things the way that you see them, which, you know, frankly, when you take a look at the way that you look at the world, it must be difficult to find people that are that, thinking that way, right?

That's a, it's an uncommon way of looking at things. People lock in. Your mother's, you know, sharing that. It's a beautiful, um, you know, way to, to illustrate it, right? In, in personal. And, uh, to be that vulnerable in this setting is, is impressive. Um, and it gives us a really solid foundation to understand who you are and where you come from and how, what your journey, how hard things were for you to actually have to go through that.

Also the separation from, you know, your father and your mother, uh, you know, my parents got divorced and I have to say, uh, that was not a fun period of time.

How old are you?

I was 11, uh, when they split up and I think they were really close at one point in time to reconciling. And then, um, but you know, I've come to believe it is not the outcome that I wanted, but I think it was the outcome that was necessary.

For me to become the person that I had become.

And I believe another thing, because I wouldn't have children, um, with all this, uh, autoimmune diseases, one of, uh, the sadness, uh, I felt sad, but though I'm, I felt like I'm incomplete, I can't have children. But with all of these journeys, I've come to the realization that children, they have nothing to do with you. Every child is a, is a complete soul separate from you. They look like you because you are in an illusion that, that, oh, they are mine, but they're never yours.

I love this because it's a battle that I think all parents fight.

Uh, the, the beginnings of the separation, I was talking with a friend last night about it. She was going through a phase where her daughter, who's fairly young, I mean, like, I think she's like three, uh, really was just all about her husband, just all about hanging out with her husband. And it was kind of breaking her heart a little bit.

And I said, yeah, it's interesting because my daughter, we went through a phase where it was like, I couldn't, you know, shoot, just no way. If I'm, if I'm home, then, you know, I, you know, daddy, can you snuggle me, you know, put me, you know, put me to sleep. You know, there are oftentimes where I wake up 10 o'clock at night and I'm like, okay, I fell asleep here. I gotta, gotta go to bed.

Uh, she then went through a period of time where she's like, get away from me.

Right.

And it's a weird sort of process of recognizing, even with my son, um, they have to become their own independent people. They have to go have their own experiences. And they are, as you said, their own souls, their own people. We are the steward of them for a period of time, but they go to live their own lives. They come to their own conclusions and we have to respect that people.

A lot of people are very invested in making sure that their children are exactly like them, the blueprint of, right, stamp them out. That's just the way that it is.

Also the karma of the soul.

And that has given me, uh, kind of also, um, uh, uh, interesting, uh, kind of realization that even if I adopt a kid, it'll be the same as, uh, my own kid. Because if I understand that the soul is not mine, it is a different soul. It doesn't matter if, uh, if it is my own kid or an adopted kid.

I'll tell you what, uh, the adopted kid that gets you as a parent is a lucky kid because you're going to get a great, uh, vision on the world, uh, worldview that, uh, few will actually have.

And, um, that's a great launch pad to sort of like to express, to find out who you really are, right.

The freedom of that, right.

To actually, it, you, it's sort of like you're handing in the permission key to go, Hey, here it is. Click it in and figure out where, where you belong, which is pretty cool.

Um, all right, we, we are way further into this than I, you know, normally we try to do this where we catch it within 20 or 30 minutes, but now we're way out. So how did the ketones, uh, did they work for you?

Yeah, it was cool.

Yeah.

And I think it made me speak the, I speak the truth anyways, but I think it made me like really, really be in the moment.

That's the interesting thing about them. And I feel like when I, when I use them, um, I use them for different things. Uh, and I use them like three times a day. They really have an impact for me. And I, I really have come to appreciate them. That's why I've used them supplementally and the things that I do, which also I want to, I want to talk to you a little bit about what the through line is for all of us. I mean, you, you have people outside of healthcare simply won't understand how difficult it is to do what you, what you did or have done, continue to do in the healthcare space. Um, you know, postgraduate, uh, research work, Harvard, um, you go on, you're at Tufts, you're CMO of another organization. You're, you know, you've done all of these things.

Academic two hours as a professor at Tufts too, for more than a year.

Right.

Now teaching residents and students.

Yeah, I mean, that's, you're shaping the future of, of a good portion of top level healthcare providers. Um, and that's, uh, that's a big deal. You have all of these, all of these interests and they've all, the through line is just, it sort of feels to me is like this never ending, a belief in anything that I want to do. Anything I choose to do, you can do, and you've done it. And it almost feels like there's this curiosity that's pulling you through. And very much like when you talked about, uh, driving back and seeing the girl, do you ever feel like this path was just the destined path for you?

All the time, always. That's why I'm, uh, so sure about it because nothing else makes sense for me at this point. Because when I was diagnosed with all these, um, illnesses at that time, uh, COVID happened. It was around that time. And, you know, if you remember initially there was a thought that hydroxychloroquine is a cure for COVID. And, um, that, um, immediately after that, there were a lot of studies telling that there are a lot of, like, heart attacks and, uh, side effects are so bad that, you know, people shouldn't take hydroxychloroquine.

And interesting enough, the, uh, one of the diseases I have, uh, was lupus. And the treatment of lupus was hydroxychloroquine and the same dose, uh, for me. So I got really scared that if I'm going to take this medicine lifelong, I'm going to get a heart attack or something. So I already started looking for alternatives. Um, somehow I, it might've helped us because we were traveling in COVID time and I didn't get COVID. I, like, I never tested positive for COVID because I was taking hydroxychloroquine. So who knows, maybe that would have helped, uh, that, that did help. But because of the scare around it and the side effects and because it does kind of can create like heart attacks and arrhythmias, um, I was thinking of alternative methods.

And now when I look at zoom out of it, I feel like everything was, uh, leading me to the same thing and it was digging into the past because I feel there were some ingredients which were, they were left out from the modern medicine from the very beginning. So whatever they picked, no matter how much research you do, you're still researching whatever is picked. If you have left 30% of the cure already in India, so that means your, all the research, whatever is happening in the world today is out of that 70%. And I really believe that when Alexander went to India and they translated all the scriptures in Greek, um, that's where the modern medicine is evolving from, right? So when they did, I think they left behind the spiritual part of, uh, of the medicine and the spiritual part is very much yoga and, uh, breath work and that is not part of the modern medicine.

So all the, so when I went into this journey of finding cure for my autoimmune disease, um, I started with Ayurveda and, uh, you know, I started doing all the Ayurvedic medications. I have a nice, uh, friend, like friend who was in Boston, uh, she introduced me to an Ayurvedic practitioner in Boston and she gave me a lot of teas and, but it was a lot. Like, so I had to take, like, here I am with only one pill in the morning and one pill and now I have to go all box of medicine. I was like, Oh my God, I'm not going to take them. So I never took them.

I had those and I picked and choose and some teas and all this, but I always felt that I'm not treating myself because I still have like, you know, a lot of, uh, I couldn't even open the, uh, I have no power in my hand. I couldn't open the, you know, the caps of any bottle. And I'm still very weak and, um, you know, stiffness and, and swollen feet all the time. So it was, it became part of my body and I felt like, Oh, this is how I'm going to be all the time. I'm always, uh, aches and pains and I thought this is going to be, you know, always with me.

Um, so first thing was I got scared of all the Ayurvedic medicines and that's when I wanted to learn about Ayurveda myself. I was like, I don't know if I ever take all of these, like, what is this? And when I was digging more into it, I was digging more into religion at the same time. I was digging more into Sufism and all this. And I realized that everything is taking me through the same path. It is all the same. It is all taking me to the very, very, very ancient religion or region where I am from.

So the gift that I have is I am from Himalayas. I am from, you know, all that part of the world, which is very, very ancient. And even though Pakistan happened, but it only happened, you know, a few years ago, uh, less than a century. But that land has traditions 5,000 years ago. And in one of the trips, I actually went, uh, into this ancient, uh, excavation site, which is called Harappa, uh, and Mohenjo-daro. They are from bronze, bronze age.

One of the realization that I actually had from Quran, one of the story, which is actually a biblical story. I, I felt that I can decode it because I went to that excavation site and I, I saw something 5,000 years ago. So, so with me, I not only carry the modern medicine and all these, you know, uh, this university and that, I think, uh, uh, important part is where I am from and my land and what, uh, is in my DNA. And, uh, and, uh, and that was calling me and that's why I went back.

And then I learned more about Yunani medicine. I took some initial courses and I realized Yunani medicine does not have, uh, breath work. Um, so that means that Greek people have already eliminated yoga and breath work from Indian when they were translating because I believe that Vedas are divine books. And, um, one of the Vedas is, you know, Ayurveda. That's why they call it Ayurveda. It's, it's medicinal because there was a whole book for medicine. So when the beginning of human civilization, when there was disease, there was a cure.

And Ayurveda talks about, um, all the spices and how we also, how we use them in, uh, aside from the medicines, how we prepare our meal. There's an etiquette to preparing a meal too, not only just consuming the meal, like, you know, uh, and, um, all these spices have nowadays, everybody knows about ginger and turmeric and the ginger turmeric shot, like, you know, but you need to know there's a whole, uh, uh, wisdom behind it. Like, you know, the turmeric has to be, there has to be a pepper along with turmeric for, to activate it and all this, which world is learning now. And that's why they, you know, there's, there's modern medicine, but then there's alternative medicine, which is becoming very popular because, as I said, I think 75% of the things they, they took and 25% was left in India.

And, uh, people are tapping now into that energy. All of a sudden you see so many yoga studio, you see so much breath work, but again, they're still taking part of it. They're still leaving the core is still there. And even in India, I don't see the core there. I don't see that the gurus, whoever.

So for example, when I started chanting, uh, I went to this workshop and then I was like, you know what? I should go to a true guru who can actually tell me because then I was having some dreams about Hinduism. Like I was, I was having dreams about Ram and find your eight chakra and chakras and all this. I was not familiar with all these terminologies. And I was like, oh wow, I have to now find somebody who actually truly knows what Hindu scriptures are all about. And, uh, the more I'll do research, the more I'll feel like they're all fake. Like, like they have shops and they have cults and you, you get one course. They're like, sign the other course and this mug, this gown and do this. And I was like, oh my God, is there a true being who knows, who knows what the truth is in these scriptures?

And the interesting part is it is all very connected. It is all interconnected because there was a scholar in, I think, you know, 12th century in Spain. And at that time, Spain was like New York of the world, you know, Seville and all these places. There were two people. One was Muslim, one was Jew. Maimonides and, um, Ibn Arabi and Ibn Rushd, three actually. They were together at that time and very much interlapped whatever their philosophy. And they were scientists. Ibn Rushd was one of the, you know, pioneers in chemistry and all. It's very, very important. Averroes, uh, they call him. They were going through the same, I think, understanding the scriptures because a lot of the things are in the scriptures. And Maimonides kind of has read it and he did a lot in Judaism, I think. But they were also touching upon this philosophical side of religion and the, you know, the, uh, medicine too.

Because Ibn Arabi has mentioned gut health at that time. He's talking about gut flora, which is in your gut and, you know, how there's a universe outside and then there's a universe inside you. And similarly, um, what they were talking about at that time was that Ibn Arabi, one of, he has written that if you're looking for a guru, a person who, for whom the world is alive is not a guru. A real guru is the person for whom this world is, world is dead. What it means is that a real teacher who is a centered soul, he won't worry about the money you're giving to him or what enterprise he's running. He cannot give you the truth.

The only person who can give you a truth is someone, uh, who already believes in it and he doesn't mean, needs these worldly things. And I don't see that person in this world. And that's why when I had the dreams about Hindu scripture, I was like, I don't want to go to these gurus. I see through them. They're all, you know, fake and they're cults.

And, um, a friend of mine said, oh, there's one person go to him. He's visiting Dallas and he's usually in India. And I was like, okay, and interesting enough, he was born a Muslim and he converted and they, you know, I went to him and now I'm there. And I see that a lot of people are like prostrating in front of him. And I was like, oh my God, why am I here? Like he's again, like he's thinking he's God. So I had a wrong place. I should leave and all this.

But when he was talking, I was like, oh my God, the way you talk, it's so interesting. And you talk about like almost the same thing, like, you know, very divinely thing. And this is going to connect all the religion, how you talk. And I was like, who are you? And I was like, oh, um, you know, I'm from, I was like, you're from Pakistan. Your country has this, you have extremists and all this. And I was like, but you're saying, they say the same thing. They don't know how to package it. So you are, you're doing a good packaging. So, but I'm here for something else because I had a dream and I'm not here to play politics. So I was very disappointed and I was like, I'm going to leave. Uh, I'm, I'm not going to stay for the three days retreat and that good for you that you actually, you know, I mean, uh, many people don't have the constitution to actually, they'll stay.

I was like, I'm going to leave.

Yeah.

And that's the danger of being slowly indoctrinated into something that is, but your constitution is so strong.

Because I've seen that in my religion and I've run away from them. So I, when I see anybody who tells me that I am the truth and you have to follow me on if you look at anything else, you will lose God. I'm like, oh, I'm not going to believe I'm not going to stay here. I walk away. So I was like, I'm going to leave.

So at night I had, um, and Ali was, um, my husband was in New York and I had a dream that a lot of people, that person is sitting in a glass room. And he's sitting on a sofa and I go close to him and I said, like, oh my God, all these people touching his feet. I would never do that. But I go close to him and I touch his knee. And when I touch his knee, he, he fell because I'm on the ground and he's sitting on a sofa. He fell in my lap and he's crying and he's saying, um, where are you going? Don't be angry with me. You are my father. That's what he said.

And now the same guy came in Ali's dream. Ali was in New York and he was like, hey, this dude came in my dream. And he's saying, tell your wife to stay for another day. And I was like, I had to say, I have a weird dream. I don't know what to do. I was like, okay, I'll stay. I'll go another day.

So next day. So I was very, um, worked up because I thought I'm going to find some, because I wanted to get something from him. Um, I wanted to get something about Hinduism from him. Like, you know, uh, I wanted to know chakras from him. And I was like, he already is talking politics. So he's not in a Senate. So why am I here? And, you know, second day, the moment I entered, um, you know, he looked at me and I was very all white. And I was like, I will tell him I'm a Sufi. So, you know, I was very arrogant about who I am. It was very wrong of me.

Um, I entered and he looked at me. I was like, oh, oh, you came very prepared today. Like, as almost as he can read my mind, like, you know, what I've been thinking. So I didn't ask him, why am I here? And he said, and he said, okay, I'm going to teach you chakras today. He was talking about seven chakras. And he, um, um, before he taught, he was like, anybody has any questions? And I raised my hand. I was like, no, not you, because you're going to disturb the whole class. No, not your question. We'll ask. We'll talk to you later on.

And then when he taught the seven chakras, um, he came close to me and he was like, whatever is out there, you need to learn that first. Whenever it's not there, it will come to you. So he kind of knew what my question was, because my dream was about eight chakras and I didn't even know about seven chakras, which are the seven chakras. So, uh, he kind of knew what I'm there for. So I felt a tremendous amount of love from him.

And, um, then he also triggered something that became part of my life. And that is the, my movie, um, because he said, oh, who you are and what are you doing here? You know, what happened to somebody else who tried to do this centuries ago? I was like, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Um, there was a prince. He tried that and he was brutally murdered by his own brother because he said he's an infidel. I was like, yeah, I have his book. Um, I've read, but there's nothing special in it because I was very, being very arrogant that day and I was just trying to like, say, reject everything that he was trying to tell me.

And then, um, I left there and that's when afterwards I went to Saudi Arabia to, because other spiritual, he was telling me, go to Saudi Arabia, go to Makkah. That is, you, you will see if that's the, if there's any truth to it, it will speak to you. That's where I went and I hated everything because I saw all women wearing burqas and, you know, covered up and I'm like, oh my God, all these sheep, I don't belong here. I need to go. And everything is cemented.

There are two, um, mountains where, you know, the story, the biblical story of prophet Ibrahim, um, and Sarah, um, and then he had, um, Hagar, we call her Hajra. So Hajra with, uh, Ishmael was left in Saudi Arabia at that part. And she was alone and the child didn't have water and she had to run between two mountains. And that's where the, the, you know, the water, uh, happens this, uh, we call it, um, Zamzam, the water, the well of Zamzam, which is after centuries and centuries, the water is still there, the well is there. And so she ran between the two mountains.

It's part of the, it's one of the pillars of Islam to do Hajj and to do Umrah and to go to Makkah and run between the two mountains seven times. But it's written, there's a board that says women should not run. And when I looked at the board, I was like, I don't want to be here because there was a woman who ran and that's how this whole, now all of these men are following that ritual. And they're saying women should not run. I was like, why am I here? I don't want to be here. Uh, let's get out of here. Uh, we're at the wrong place.

And, and then we're getting, I was like, oh, let's get a Quran and see if we can, let's read Quran. So there are a lot of, uh, copies of Quran sitting there and we just took one, um, book and, you know, there's a bookmark and I was like, oh, let's just open the bookmark, whatever it is. We'll read that chapter. And the chapter that opened was the one that I was telling you. There's one, number 18. Um, it opened. And that was the same chapter that my mother used. She used to make me read it every Friday. Like no matter what, this, I have to read every Friday.

That's the one you opened.

Yes. And I'm now, because I used to read that every Friday, I knew what is inside that. And I'm like, now I'm reading it and I'm making fun of it. I'm like, okay, see, there are three stories. The first story is about Moses and how he met this person that gave him enlightenment.

Must be in some of the other books too.

I have to read the Hebrew books. I haven't read the, you know, that part. So the story is that Moses met an enlightened being who gave him enlightenment. Um, that person told Moses that you will not ask me any question. You will just, I will only take you in my journey. If you will just follow me along and don't ask me questions. And he said, okay, fine. I will not ask you a question.

But then, you know, they, they, they, they sat on a boat and, um, that person makes holes in the boat. And Moses is like, why are you doing this? This is a poor man. And he has his boat. Why are you creating holes in it? And he was like, I told you, don't ask me questions. I was like, sorry, I will not ask you a question. Like, let's carry on. Then they go and he kills two children. And he's like, why are you killing these? And, um, he said, I, I told you, don't ask me questions. And then the third time there's a wall falling and he fixed the wall. So it was that story.

And then he, he came with answer, like why I, I did holes in the, um, boat because there was a king, which is wicked king sitting at the other end. And he's going to take all the boats, which are, which are new and, you know, complete. So this was a poor man. So I wanted to save his boat. That's why I did the whole, um, I killed the kids because they will, they were not good for the parents. So the parents will have new, uh, better kids. Um, and then the wall I repaired because there's a treasure beneath the wall and the kids are little, they will grow up and then that's when they're going to find the treasure.

So, so now I'm reading the story and I'm making fun of it. I was like, what is the point of this thing? Like, you know, why would somebody kill a kid? And so I would somebody, you know, like, I was like, this is so stupid. And my mom made me read this story. Like every Friday, I don't believe it.

And then there's a story of seven sleepers, which is also, it's a biblical story. It's a, of the time after Jesus, when people are being persecuted for being Christian and they went and they took refuge in a cave and they slept there for 300 years. So it was a miracle. So that's, that story. And then third story is about a guy, um, whose name is Dhul-Qarnayn, but he was a new, who knew all the portals to the walls and, and apparently he was walking through.

So I'm now making fun of this. And I was like, and then I was like, you know what, Ali, we don't find anything here. Maybe we should go to this place. Uh, which is mentioned where Moses met, uh, this guy, an enlightened being, and it's called mingling of oceans. So maybe this is in Jordan or wherever it is. Let's go there. Maybe we'll find Khidr because in Islam, they call the person Khidr. He's not mentioned by the name Khidr. Maybe he's Elias or you don't know what is in Judaism, what, what is his name, but, but, but there was a companion of Moses in, in other books. His name was not mentioned in Quran. And I'm like, let's go to this place and maybe we'll find, um, that person. You know, because they say that person is ever living. He's always present in all the times. So whoever is seeking enlightenment, he'll find him. And he's like, you're crazy and all this.

And then I was like, I don't want to be here. Let's go to the mountains because mountains are the only things which are probably not corrupted. So if we'll find something, let's go to the mountain where prophet Muhammad was going every time and he got us enlightened. So we went up to Mount Hira, um, uh, and we used to climb, uh, in the night because they've written, it's, it's forbidden. You shouldn't go to the mountains. That's also forbidden. I was like, yeah, everything, but you know, so, but we went at the night and we came in the morning and we were entering Kaaba.

So there's separate men and women when you enter, there's separate prayer areas. And because we were in the periphery, because we were just rushing into, we have our prayer mats outside and, but we could hear what they're saying. So they are like now a hundred and thousand, like millions of people doing the Umrah all the time in that century, they're present. And there's one person who's reading, reciting a part of Quran and every prayer, like real portion of Quran and every prayer. And he has the loudspeaker so that all the people who are there, they can listen to it and they can complete their prayer.

And when we enter, I'm telling Ali, like, you know what, this, this mingling of portion, I don't think it's a place. I think it's a metaphor and I have to do research on it. Once I go back to US and I will do research. So now we are entering and the person started to recite Quran and he recites with that line from Quran. And I started like crying, like, because I couldn't believe it that the why is something is in my head. And he will say the same line. And there's so many other people like, I mean, what is happening?

I was forced to go to Turkey because from Saudi Arabia, we, I wanted to go to Dubai, but I had a green card. That's another, I don't want to take that time. But what really happened after the journey, I ended up in Turkey again. I went to the place where the seven sleepers were. There's a place where Mary, they say that she went there to Turkey. There's a mountain bear, her home is there in Ephesus, Izmir. A lot of things happened, which were like, one thing is connecting to the other thing, another thing, another thing.

And when I came back, oh, after all this journey, I was like, oh my God, it's too much information. And a book fell from my bookshelf and I went to put that book back. And guess what? I told you that there was a Hindu guy from Harvard and we were trying to research Hindu, Muslim, whatever. And I saw a book from the same prince that, you know, that guru told me that, you know, do you remember that guy? He was murdered by his own brother. I was like, yeah. And I'm pulling that book out and guess what is the name of that book? Mingling of Two Oceans. And I'm like, oh my God.

Then I sat and I read that book and then I understood what he was going through because he also had the same dream that I had. He had a dream where Ram came in his dream and he told him to translate Upanishad. So this is a Muslim prince. And in his dream, Ram is coming, Lord Ram, which is a Hindu deity, coming and telling him to translate Hindu books into Persian language. And whatever you say, all these gurus, that is a translation of those Upanishads that he did. And he has written what is the commonalities between Upanishad and Quran and Vati, because he had all the scholars, he had the best of the scholars from Brahmans because he was a prince. He had all the money. His father built Taj Mahal. So he had all the money in the world to spend on these things. And now he has all the Muslim scholars.

And the interesting part of this, I told you that I'm initiated in a silsula when I was young, a Sufi silsula. He was also initiated in that silsula. I felt like that guy and his sister are kind of my soulmates. And that's why I'm making the movie because it's going to be a very interesting movie. Part of it is my journey. And part of it is how I'm connected to them four centuries before. And they went through the same journey and this guy was murdered, so brutally murdered by his brother, because he said he's an infidel. He's not Muslim anymore. He's written this book. Because of that book, Mingling of Oceans, he was murdered.

So it is very easy for me to say all these things, but the consequences can be... Because you don't know what the other person is thinking. Maybe he's from that box or this box and their box is threatened by what I'm saying. And they will say, oh, you know what? We don't want her. Do I care? I don't. Because I would have been dead four years ago from now going to what I know.

Yeah. You had to go on the journey anyway, so...

Yeah. I have outlived my life anyway, so...

But what has helped me with all this is going back to your question. Sorry it took me so long. But it all was connected. Because everything was taking me, my philosophy, my Sufism, my religion, taking me back to that part of India that I am from. And, you know, the scriptures, and hence Ayurveda, and breathing, and breath work, and, you know, yoga. And that is what has really healed me. So now I'm sitting in front of you, and whatever was left was, you know, the weight gained. I had to do it, and I had to do it, and I was able to do it, and I was able to so intricately, deeply work on Quran and interpret it, that my mind was so focused, and I didn't need to eat or drink even. And I was fasting for those 10 days, and I lost almost 30 pounds. But with the Ayurveda, then I figured out, these are the teas that I need to, these are the things that are, these are the meditations I need to do. And it healed me. I may still have the markers, but the level is so much less, and I feel like I'm very healthy.

And that is what I want to give back to the world, that no matter how much research we do, it is still on the 75% of the medicine. 25% is still untapped. So whoever is tapping into it, they're doing it, but then they become Deepak Chopra. They start selling it at the same time, because that part is not to be sold.

It's open-sourced, right?

It's open-sourced, but that is the remedy for the souls. So a soulful person can touch it, otherwise they will be humiliated in this world, and that is for sure. Because when you try to trick God, in no matter what way, or these scriptures, you will see it unfolding in this world, and it's not letting you go away with it.

It's wild to think that that portion of it was left behind, and yet all of pharmaceuticals evolve from it. I mean, I guess there are other ways, but...

I mean, I won't say I'm a doctor, so I've saved so many lives, and people have really gotten help. But in terms of certain things, like, for example, autoimmune, I would say that it's very quick to go into steroids and into biological agents and all this, and it gets very, very quickly. That's why I was so scared when I was diagnosed, because my titers were so high, that means the portion of antibody was very, very high. And I knew, oh my God, once you take steroids, you know, you gain weight. And then it's a cascade of events. It's very hard to go back from there. The inflammation, once it starts, it's like you can't, it's hard to control it.

It changes the entire chemistry of the body, right?

Yeah, but the cure is so easy that it's unbelievable, because it starts again, as I said, those people in 12th century, they figure it out, that it's all about gut health.

Which, by the way, you know, the whole gut microbiome thing is so big. We should come back and just talk about that at some point in time, because, you know, the notion that the gut microbiome is turning over every two days, and things that we put in it can shock it in a way. We know antibiotics have a tremendous impact on how our gut functions, and yet antibiotics are so overprescribed. That's why, you know, just recently, I got, I had a respiratory thing, and I was convinced, oh, I've got, I've got strep throat, for sure. And I couldn't swallow, right? It's like, oh, so painful, so painful. And it's right in the middle of a really important period of time where I'm really tracking some data, and I needed to be operational. And I decided, I'm going to go to urgent care, and I'm going to get the tests, because I want to know exactly what I'm dealing with. So, I got the tests, rapid strep, long, the bigger strep, PCR for COVID, flu, A and B, nothing. Who knows? Maybe it was RSV or some sort of other virus. But, man, I'll tell you what, the viruses are out there, and it's interesting to learn so much about what happens in the gut and how much immunity is there, and how little we know still about it, and how little the general public knows about it, and what we're putting into our bodies every single day.

Just absolutely.

I love what you said about the way that you prepare food and the intentionality around it, what ingredients you're selecting, why you're selecting them, how you're preparing it, how you're eating it, when you're eating it. There's a whole episode just in that.

Just in that. And that's where I am very strong on, because I have things that I've done myself. I really love to talk about those things, because I've experienced them. And I've changed dramatically how I eat, what I cook. We've started cooking a lot at home. And raw material, we try to have this whole wheat, you know, and even, I don't know if that can be very controversial, but we started actually drinking raw milk.

Yeah, me too.

And we boil it, but what I've realized, I was never lactose intolerant in Pakistan, and we have our own buffalo, the cows, you can say, in our village. That's the milk I used to drink all my life. And all of a sudden, I'm here, and now I'm lactose intolerant. And it never occurred to me, like, why all of a sudden I'm lactose intolerant? And I realized all this processed milk is actually, it's a disease in itself.

Yeah, I mean, it's like sugar water, right? Pasteurized milk, I don't, I don't really, like, dairy. I mean, not pasta, pasta, I mean, once we boil it, it becomes pasta too, but the one that I'm talking about.

Yeah, high, high production.

Yes, yeah.

Yeah, factory farming of anything. It's interesting, I, the way that I eat today is so, I mean, gosh, it's really hard for me to go out to eat, because I just, I eat so, everything is so clean. Now, I'm at a point in time where it's like, there's, and it's really measured, right? It's, it's more of like, almost like a bodybuilder diet, even though I'm not a bodybuilder. But it's really about the, you know, knowing sourcing that lean protein and being really clear about what that is. And then the carbohydrate, lots of greens and all that kind of stuff. And then the fats I get, I try to get from just the highest quality olive oil I can possibly get. I feel like the polyphenols and that have a, play a huge role in, in things. So not cooking that at all.

Do you feel happy or excited about your meats?

I do. I feel like every time that I eat one, I know that I'm putting the right stuff into my body. And when I don't, I like, for instance, I, it's been a while, but I had to have a dinner with somebody. It's kind of an important dinner. It's a great restaurant. It's really good. Tastes great. Just didn't feel good. And then next morning in the gym, I'm like, ah, you know, you can feel it. Joints are inflamed. The inflammation, you can just tell immediately.

I think one of the interesting things is there's a point in time in my life where somebody asked me to do sort of a reductionist diet. You know, sort of like, hey, let's move everything down and try to take a look at what is, you know, and then we'll add things back in. So let's get into mono eating for a period of time and really take a look at, okay, well, what does this one thing, how do you respond to this one thing? And, you know, it was an interesting process because for the longest time, I think, you know, with all the travel and eating food that was not good and not being as tuned into really that at that point in time. I mean, I think I knew, but I, I don't think we were just as aware at that, at that time. And now it's like, wow, I mean, I'm not eating anything that isn't like, I'm really particular about what I eat and the quality of it and being, you know, we're blessed, right? We have everything here to enable us to do that. I feel for the people that are in food deserts where they don't really have that opportunity. It makes, makes me feel for them because.

Also, California is, I think, one of the better states. We can get raw milk easily here. I don't think I was able to get it in Boston.

You can get it at Nugget.

Yeah. You know, the raw milk thing, people ask me all the time. They're like, what? I don't drink it as much. I did for a period of time. I don't drink as much anymore because I'm really kind of limiting the dairy pieces.

I use it well with my tea. Like whenever I use it, I'm not lactose intolerant anymore. That's what the weird thing happened because a lot of the good bacteria are killed when you process it so much that, you know, and again, when we talk about gut health, it's like this is what for centuries and centuries people were drinking raw milk.

And you think about it also like we get into like a lot of the fermented foods. I mean, there are cultures that were using them for years, like, you know, Indian culture.

Pickles and.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so they've been, they've existed for a long time.

Absolutely.

Yeah. I try to put a decent amount, not because I don't want to overdo it, a decent amount of fermented foods. Try to be as balanced as I possibly can, but I really do feel good when I eat. And yeah, food at one point in time for me was really kind of like, oh, you know, let's go with that, you know, this sushi and this dim sum and this. And now I recognize that, you know, soy, uh, heavily, anything that's heavily processed, I don't want it.

Oh, I look at food as a two prong thing for me. One is happiness and a kind of belonging. And it's like, if you, even if you make cooked food together with people, it creates a lot of, um, like in a day, you look forward to it because you're going to do an activity with somebody that you love together. Could be your kids or your siblings or, you know. So it's also like creating happiness and just creating a process of making food. Um, we don't have time now, we are running, you know, out of time, but I think it's a good activity to meditate. It's, I feel like when you're cooking, you're kind of meditating because you are in it, uh, every moment, you know how much spice I need to put and you're very much like focused. And that is kind of a meditation for me. And then once you eat it, it gives you happiness. So it, it kind of, oh, I'm looking forward to eating this something and not necessarily, uh, outside dining is a bad thing because if you limit, as you said, you limit your portions. And, um, you go to a restaurant where you know that the ingredients are going to be nice and, uh, try, try not to have like junk food and other food. I think it's okay, but make sure when you go out that day, uh, rest of your meals are not much or you skip a meal from in the morning or something so that you can accommodate this extra, um, indulgence for that time. Because if it gives you happiness, you go out with your friends, a lot of cultures, you know, that's how they, they develop, they are around, uh, eating or drinking. So if somebody is not drinking alcohol, the food becomes a major portion of their, uh, you know, socialization too. So it, it has, it is important.

Yeah. I don't ever want to say they'll never drink alcohol ever again. Who knows? Right. I don't.

I think it's a great thing because, uh, if you know what you're doing and if you know, how much you need a glass or two, it's not a bad thing, but if you overdo it and if you know that you can't stop yourself, uh, then you shouldn't do it because it's, it's going to ruin your liver and a lot of other things. Then you can't stop. Then you start one more drug and one more than it, then you lose control. And that's, that is when it's, it's gets bad. But, uh, if you know what you're doing and if you are socially breaking with friends or very less, uh, I think it's okay.

Yeah. I, I think that, um, when you just don't do it on a regular basis, you, there's less of a desire. That's why I say, I would never want to say, well, I would never have a glass of wine ever again, because maybe there's a special occasion where you would.

Yeah.

One.

Right. And also when you go into the, if you are into like, you know, meditation and breathing and all this, you know, why do you do all these things? Because you want to create a little bit of happiness or something more. It, if it comes to you naturally, if you are naturally high because of, um, you're hanging out with your favorite people, you know, you're eating your favorite food, uh, you're doing some meditation and you are connected and you're positive. You don't need any substance in your body. And you would say, you know, I would rather add on calories. I would just, for the sake of calories too. I don't want to, I don't want to deal with it.

My issue with drugs is like, it can also take the edge out of, you know, maybe you're very depressed and you want to try a drug or something. But, but what happens when it, because there's a rush of all, because your body has to generate all these things from within, from within your body. And once you are just like rushed into it, you love it. And then there's a time which is like very deep.

Yeah. I mean.

And very depressive.

Yeah. The high has to be met with a low.

Yes.

And so by trying to return to homeostasis, right?

Yes.

And that's the thing is a climb back out of that, you know, so people that drink too much, they feel like terrible and they're trying to get back up. And the, uh, reality is that, you know, the whole food piece, uh, the exercise piece, we could talk, I'm sure a ton about sleep. Um, and then we covered a lot of the spiritual side of things today. Um, mindfulness. Um, uh, breath work. We need to go deeper into that because that's, there's so much more. You can do maybe a session of breath work and meditation together.

Yeah.

You can do a session of cooking together. How about that?

Oh, I love that. That'd be tons of fun.

Yeah. So, um, well, it's been amazing. The marathon podcast, right? That felt like it was, it felt like it was 45 minutes.

Yeah.

Right. And then we did, we did, uh, almost three hours.

Wow. Wow. It felt like I, yeah, I just, I knew you. I don't know. I just felt like knew you. I think the first time I met you, I just, I was like, I was like, okay, this is going to be amazing. You know, I always want to create some room to let it just go where it goes because.

I know you let me actually, actually, this is something I just take the topic to some other way because this is who I am. I'm like a dervish. I was talking about Rumi and Shams story and I'm the Shams in the, in the, in my life because I, I don't know about the consequences. I don't know where I'm going. I just go like.

I think it's important to the, you know, the guests go where they're going to go. It was fantastic to have you in. I so enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to, uh, the future of, of talking more.

Absolutely.