Toxic Mold, Lyme Disease, & Root Cause Healing: Dr. Pras Part 2

We just currently going through this collective detachment from what we truly are. So I invite everyone to really come back, you know, to reconnect, to find yourself. The intense stress that peak performers put on themselves. You've found a way to sort of mitigate that. Yeah. It's redefining what peak performance means to you. In society, it's usually people understand it as productivity, producing, producing, producing more and more outcomes. But for me, big performance is not about that. It's really doing things from your heart at peace. All right, let's go deeper into Lyme disease. Ah, okay. What would you like to hear? Now, lime has been a huge learning curve. Like I before if patients would say I have lime or co- infections, I I wouldn't take them. I would send them to someone the years of experience, some lime literary doctor because you have to be good at it. Uh there are so many nuances are so complex and now here we go. Like for me it's been a huge learning curve. I've just been diagnosed four months ago and it explained so many symptoms. So so many symptoms. It's been a missing piece to the puzzle why I'm not healing from mold. And it's very common, but people who have mold illness, they have lime. Or people who have lime, they are super mold sensitive. I mean, mold is so spread out. It's everywhere. So, it's it's more common than not those two things. So, you have when you're healing, you have to address both of them usually in most cases. So, yeah, I was not responding well to my mold protocol and my doctor said, "You know what? you probably have lime. I see that in patients because you're not tolerating your treatment. And I'm like, lime me? Like I had some thoughts that I may have lime or co- infections three, five years ago based on my symptoms. But I did what every conventional medicine doctor would do. I did all the tests available. I went to every lab. I tested and because these tests are so incomplete, they all gave false negative and then it tricked me into thinking that okay, this is not the root cause. I don't have it. And it happens to so many people. They always do the most available test that their personal care provider runs or infectious disease doctor runs and they all false negative. But you need a specific test. You need a good test. Lime is such a great imitator. It also over the time damages your immune system to the point that if you're looking IGG, IGM, if you're looking for it, you won't detect it because lime suppressed it. The bacteria is so smart. It doesn't want your immune system to fight against it. So that's why it's uh it's undiagnosed, misdiagnosed for so many people. So I still got my diagnosis. I mean it's probably been around as I said for 15 16 years but only last year has been the worst because co also contributed to that also why some people get long co and other people don't it's also because they have some priming events they probably had some dormant lime they probably had some mold so it's all so connected and one it's a cascade so and other people who were not exposed let's say to mold did not have toxicity they don't develop long co so when you have one of these chronic conditions you want to get the full picture not only oh it's only long co it's only lime there is a full picture and few things at play lime again it doesn't come in one infection people think about lime as borellia it always a bouquet of infections viral and bacterial It's besia bartonella h a hb6 like there are so many of them epin epin bar virus is one of the major contributors as well so you have to address it all and there is no one way it's so so complex because there are so many different protocols there are amazing lime literary MDs who created protocols that are highly effective they are still not effective effective to everyone. For some people, antibiotics saved their life, brought them back to life. For some people, it made things worse, way worse. Maybe they felt good for the first few months while they were on antibiotics and then we started feeling really bad, even worse than before. I'm talking all about chronic lime, acute lime, it's different story, but you want to treat that. If there is a recent tick bite, you want to address that right away. Um before I wasn't that convinced if you should do antibiotics if there's let's say no rash even if there is no rash it's better to treat it because rash does not show up the lime rash the air trema um does not show up in many cases so you want to go on antibiotics and not one week longer you want to do it longer um but when it comes to chronic lime yeast infections perhaps have been weakening your body slowly for years. So then it's a whole different treatment. Wow. So acute lime and chronic lime, that's when it's you didn't realize you had it. Yeah. Now you're in this, you've got it and you're dealing with it. You don't know what the symptoms are. Yeah. Let's go back to that. Just is the only way that you a human being can that can contract lime is through a tick bite. Now it's very common from uh to pass for mom to pass to her child. It can be so let's say bortonella it's considered lime co infection and takes carry it but also fleas carry it and cat scratches and transfer it to you with its nails. So through like nail scratch it's tricky. I grew up so many pets and probably I got this Bonanela not even from a thick but perhaps even earlier but Burtonelli is the most difficult to diagnose and to treat. It's called cat scratch disease. Oh yeah and it can cause issues with vision and all sorts of things. Yeah. It can cause similar neurological symptoms like lime burelia, like mold. Symptoms are so overlapping. There are no actual very specific symptom that you could pinpoint, oh, this is actually besa, this is actually bananel. There are symptoms that could tell you more that yes, if you have uh pain in your feet, like burning pain, that's most likely bananelo, but it can happen with other co- infections. Ear hunger most likely is it's besia and severe anxiety most likely it's besia but not necessarily it can be burden it can be there. So it's it's very ear ear hunger. Yes. What is this? When you can't inhale you inhale and you still want more oxygen and you're never satisfied. You never feel like you got enough oxygen. I had episodes of that on top. Me too. Yeah. Yeah. Like you get to a spot where I remember one time I was on the stationary bike and I'm riding and all of a sudden I'm like I can't catch my breath. Yeah. Had to get off. I go to the window like that's going to make any difference. Like the you know the window was already open and I was bre completely breathless. It freaked me out. Right. But mold can do the same. You know let's say if a person is more sensitive and a person visited an airport or some other facility of lots of mold and same day or next day having experiencing ear hunger. So that can happen as well. So there are multiple forms of lime. I didn't know that. It's called lime and co- infections. Yeah. So it's co- infections. It's never one infection. Wow. Yeah. That's what makes them so difficult to treat then and people really suffer from it for so long. Yeah. So it brings us back more to a terrain theory versus germ theory because it's uh the abnormal terrain it's not functioning how it should. Your immune system is not keeping them at bay these pathogenic bacteria and letting them manifest and overgrow. So we have to address also immune system and cytoine storm. Cytoine storm is what uh many people suffered so badly during co they learned what is cytoine storm from the experience but uh lime infection flare-ups cause the same thing then you get brain inflammation mold causes similar things so yeah you have to regulate immune system too so when we say terrain are we talking about the gut and the brain connection too is that terrain it's all the bacteria viruses everything within us you know human body have over three trillion viruses something like that is like crazy amount I would say three billion just to be correct but I think it's more than that and then so much bacteria in it but everything has to be in balance it's impossible not to have any like um pathogenic bacteria but it has to yeah it has to be balanced so many people bought took bites during their lifetime and never realized and never got a single symptom because their immune system is functioning as it should and keeping those infections from overgrowth. So then it never manifests in something that your body cannot keep up with any longer. So for those people let's say they do extensive testing just out of curiosity but not experiencing symptoms they may find lime they may find beronelobesia but there's no point to treat them if a person is feeling well. So you see a lot of patients what in your panel of patients comes to you and they're kind of lucky to get in. Who are the patients that you typically wind up seeing? What are they what are they trying to achieve in their health? So patients are usually already somewhat familiar with this model because integrative medicine is basically integrating western and we call it alternative but it should not be called alternative. It's the medicine. So it's integrating with both I would say pharmaceutical and non-farmaceutical medicine. So these people are usually somewhat familiar. They probably been dismissed by western medicine. They could not find answers with their personal care providers and they are still experiencing these mystery symptoms like stubborn weight uh hormone imbalances, PMS uh most of my clients have the men but I do work with men as well uh gut issues you know puffiness, swelling like just being feeling unwell where it bothers you or you see that your body is is uh like something wrong is happening more and more but you don't have answers. So that's that's the people I work with and they usually find through they do their own search um they find me through all the courses I've taken through these networks or word of mouth like even from close circle almost everyone needs a little bit of help almost everyone uh it just of course it's very difficult to work with like family because they don't Listen, so super close people to me. I don't take them as a patient. I give up on that. Like I give all the medical advice to my family, but I'm not any like authority and it's not paid, so they don't listen for things they don't pay for, you know. So when patients come to you, you you you start working with them. Um they usually have some sort of condition or have some sort of goal in mind. You start out with the testing and then you know this long kind of getting to know them. You develop a relationship with the patient which is hard to do sometimes with people. Do you feel like patients always tell you the truth about everything that they're doing or they withhold? You withhold. And that's okay. Maybe next consultation we're going to they're going to tell about it. But yes, it's a process. It's a commitment. Myself, I'm on both sides. Um I'm a doctor but I'm a patient because of this last mold exposure and Lyme disease and I would love to bring more doctors on board even for myself but every time you start with a new doctor it's a process it's like a relationship in a way you know you get to know each other it's not it's not cheap and so on and you give time and then also trying their protocols you don't know if it's going to be right for you or not. So, um, the best way to find out if you're a good match is first 15 minutes free consultation. You see if you're a good match with a client. I see I ask them if they are committed and if they are willing to put work and effort because there's going to be a lot of lifestyle changes. We are not going to medicate symptoms. And then I see if I can help in their cases because there are cases, you know, let's say oncology like I I don't work with that. If we want I can support with some other parts but everything is so delicate in oncologist so I I usually don't take these patients but if there is a demand in a future I'm very willing to learn and then you know open that possibility as well to other people. So it's really an honest conversation if I can help you and if you're willing to commit and work. So, what's what's for you in your pathway to peak performance? You've achieved a lot. Um, it seems like you're on the cusp of something really big. I don't know what it is. And I'm not trying to like um guess the weight at the carnival here. Um, but what I'm what I'm sensing from you is that there's something that's big is about to happen for you. I'm curious. What do you feel that it is? Oh, I'm also very curious. And now um this honestly this chronic illness I went through the hardest times but it's been blessing in disguise as well. It's been extremely transformative. I'm not the same person I was 3 years ago. I'm not the same person I I was a year ago or 6 months ago. I'm still changing and I'm just fascinating to see this. I'm finding so much peace on the wall. I was always this high achiever. Go, go, go. Do it, do it, do it. It slowed me down to such peace that I'm enjoying so much. I started living slower, doing everything slower. Um, we'll see. But I accomplished just as much as you know when I was like running around and all over the place and besides medicine keeping so many other interests and hobbies and traveling like almost to 70 countries and most of them like many of them multiple times. So like always exploring I had so much curiosity and I still have so much curiosity for life but I explored outer world and then I really last 3 four years I explored inner world inner traveling and all those realms it's been so interesting and now I'm just being you know just just being observing doing things in harmony truthful to myself like really coming back to myself because growing up and through life when you discovering yourself you get so conditioned by other people's lives ideas and everything and some people can be huge inspiration which is incredible because they encourage you to accomplish great things or at least try but there's a fine line when it becomes when you realize oh I'm living someone else life I'm not living my own life my life is different even with family members I have such such beautiful and close relationship with my sister to the point where like am I living their life or my own life. So I really had to like this chronic illness has been isolating. It took me out of that like it's been a lonely and isolating place because no one can see what you're going through. No one can relate. I would have never been able to relate until a couple years ago. What really means chronic illness? What chronic fatigue means? It's not being tired. It's like it's beyond. And um probably it was needed for my soul to rebuild myself from from zero. And it's still in progress, but it's unfolding so beautifully that I'm in a way grateful to this to whatever happened. I'm at peace. Before it was little bit, I would say traumatic and parts of it can still be if I would have to go through mold again, although I would know how to deal with it much much better. Um, but I'm at peace with everything what happened. So what's next, we'll see. But whatever it is, it will come from from the core from like really what I am not other's ideas not from ever what other things what success is what doctor's career should be what you know successful women's life should look like having career having kids having everything figured it's never everything but um we'll see it's a good question. Yeah. So cool, right? I mean, I think the secret to life and somebody, I can't remember who it was, but just recently said to me like the secret to life is figuring out who you are. Yeah. Really getting down to knowing exactly who you are. And just like the patient being truthful with the doctor, if people could be truthful with themselves about what they really want, break free of, oh, I need to do this because I need to please my parents. I need to do this. Could be amazing. Right. Right. And these programs run subconsciously. Consciously, you think you're doing everything you write for yourself, but it's not necessarily. You really have to ask deeper questions. Really, really go to this uncomfortable place. And I was never avoiding it. But chronic illness brought me so deep to that place. Like it brought everything to the surface. I mean, I wish there was easier path, but it is what it is. And it's still like it's it's a never- ending process. I can't say like, oh, like now I have everything figured out. I just approach things differently and with so much curiosity and peace and acceptance. Um, but things are still unfolding. Yeah. So, do you think you'll stay in the United States? What do you think? I mean, I didn't know that you had gone to 70 different countries. That's pretty wild. 70 different countries. I had so much curiosity. I think everything worked out perfectly like growing up in relatively small country. Population is 3 millions. I was super outgoing during my um teenage years. And I think I took everything I could from the country. I maximized all the experiences, activities, everything. And then it happened that they started these extremely cheap flights. So me as like 16 years old instead of going to a bar and spending I don't know €100 you can do a weekend trip somewhere you know or like couple trips like me and my friends we would book oh this is like this month we going here and there and the next month here and there just for a few days in medical school I squeezed in every we did not have a lot of time off like at all but I would squeeze in wherever I could so I could travel see the world and yeah I I've been really fascinating. I would go to random places. I just open a map and like, "Oh, this looks like in the middle of nowhere. Let me go there. Let me see how people live there." Like I'm stay by myself in Asia. First I went with my sister. Then I stayed there by myself. I'm like, "Oh, this is interesting. Let me get a scooter. Let me like explore. Let me let me do this." So always had this curiosity and you learn so much about yourself. People think, "Oh, traveling is to learn about other cultures." But it's really you learn about yourself, your own culture. You have something to compare it to instead of only seeing one version of life. When you see how people, let's say, live, I don't know, in Indonesia, then you understand your people in your country better because you compare, you have a reference point. And same with your own personality. Then you see how life can be approached differently. you know what we label as good and bad in other places it's not necessarily good and bad so it taught me a lot but as I said I slow down and then it was more like inner inner traveling and inner reflections I still have a lot like I'm still very passionate about all these things just I don't have this like energy of like hungry 18 years old like I could travel sleepless like without without any rest hop from country to country like now I need some rest in between which is like normal and that's really interesting that inner traveling fascinating yeah because we can hyperfocus on outside world but we still have to come back to ourself and and focus on that too eventually it's it's a must very true um all right so I have a question for favorite country in Asia. H many of them. If you had to pick one that you would say, "Let's go there right now." Which one would it be? I don't know. I would love to go back to China. I lived there and it's so like underrated. When people think about China, they might think about factories or like politics or something. But there is so much culture, so much beauty, so much nature. Incredible, beautiful. I'm fascinated how rich culture is, the people, the food. There are so many places to explore and I went to some, but it's it's limitless. I went to Shaolin Temple to learn kung fu to train with monks like that was such a unique experience as well and tough and uh so cool. Um I went to some crazy mountains, you know, where we got idea to Avatar. It's really like Avatar just like not um hanging in the air. These mountains are actually actually there um many fascinating places. Definitely a beautiful country with lots of lots of things to check out and um that's why you hope in the world that we come to some sort of way for everybody to coexist. It's 2025. the notion that we're still fighting wars um or um not supplying clean water to people um there's so many things that we could be doing that are so you know good for the world good for people it's it's almost hard to imagine right it's hard to believe what's happening it's really hard to believe yeah but at the same time I feel like there's also this opportunity for I don't know I feel like we're on the cusp of a breakthrough it's so easy to slip into the negative Yeah. Um because it's I feel like we're bombarded with it everywhere. We are, you know, we are. And the thing with fulfillment, happiness, content, it's our baseline. And the get used to that to the point that we don't see that magic around us anymore because it's our baseline. Because magic and joys in every little moment in a cup of coffee and like everywhere in a butterfly in a bird song and because it's the world life is so full of these moments we don't see that anymore and then our primal brain reptilian brain is its job is to focus on dangers to protect us. So when we are bombarded by media by all this information and of course we focus on that and we are always in this stress mode and we even forget the beauty outside that. Yeah. Seems like everybody's stressed out. Yeah. I mean there are so many tools and there always been tools. We are not the first like yes we are bombarded e um excessively nowadays but it's not that people didn't have didn't get into those loops ages ago but they had tools and we still have same tools you know being in a nature being still not distracting yourself sitting with yourself sitting with your thoughts your feelings for some people it can be meditation for some people it doesn't work some people need active meditation maybe it's uh running maybe something you know same weight lifting I've been saying yes it's isolated muscle exercise but then it's so meditative as well it's um huge benefits um cardio like all cardio activity can really clean clear your mind so we just became a little bit too lazy and we are not doing these things enough when we really need those people say now oh I'll go to visit that nature as nature is something we go to visit. It's part of us like we came from nature. We are not concrete and buildings and technology. We are nature. We we came this way. So we just currently going through this collective detachment from what we truly are. So I invite everyone to really come back you know to reconnect to find yourself and find that peace because yes up brain can get on fire and these uh physical stressors they add up a lot like now some days I feel like a little bit of anxiety and I can distinguish so clearly that it's physical it came from symptoms probably I ate something my body is too sensitive right now. Um, and that food sensitivity translated as physical anxiety. Uh, so I just learned how to distinguish it and how to know when what caused and then you know what tools you can use for that. Powerful. One thing I would like to ask you, it's something I ask a lot. Could you give me one peptide that you feel nobody's talking about but you love for for any reason? Oh, I mean everyone I'm in this world so for me it feels like everyone is talking about each of them. Yeah. Um, but what's the one that you like? I mean, we could talk about epitalon, we could talk about thymus in, we could talk about I would say GHKCU. It's people label it as a beauty hormone, but it's really my guy friendss, they are so happy with hair growth, with skin, with everything. And it's not only, you know, for women or not only beauty, it also contributes to like all the tissue repair and other processes, but you can see the effects like you can see the glow. So, just hurts like heck when you inject it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. No, it's uh copper is big stuff. I mean Yeah. Yeah. Um that's a good one. Any other one you want to mention? um in my world in chronic illness world is KPV. KPV is everything. It's anti-inflammatory. People with uh chronic inflammatory response syndrome, they have low MSH, melanocy simulating hormone. And KPV is actually a fragment of that. So it gives you what your body is missing. It can support it while you're healing from the impacts of mold. Um, it regulates your mass cells. Anti-inflammatory immune system regulating. It's amazing. So, KPV, what about KPV from a trauma standpoint? Is that something that is good from a trauma? From a trauma standpoint, physical trauma? Yeah, it would be more than BPC57 for repair, for tissue repair. So, if you're using BBC 157 in combination with thyus and beta 4 for somebody who overtrains Yeah. Um, you think KPV is a more potent version of uh than BPC157 for just general like gym recovery? I wouldn't choose KPV for gym recovery per se. If you have some other inflammation that is slowing down your gym recovery, then yes, like a twisted ankle or something. Yeah. Then PPC57. Interesting. Yeah. All right. What do you think about hyperbaric oxygen therapy? It's incredible. It's one of the only few things that actually been studied to show that it has such great effect on longevity reverse engaging. Um I'm thinking to buy one for home use because you need many sessions. 10 sessions, 30 sessions won't do much. So you have to, you know, you have to commute. It's it's time. It's a commitment. So having it at home really helps. Here in the US it's so much easier because people can rent. So if you want to do you know a protocol for a month or two every day you just rent it. It's so much better and then you don't need to keep something bulky in your living room anymore once you decide that you are done with it because you're not going to do it for entire year every day. You know you will do maybe two months and then another couple months. You know, the funny thing is I when I go in and I do a session, I can't have my phone. So, I'm in, you know, at like 2.4 atmospheres. Yeah. And it's just like, you know, it's an hour and a half of basically total digital detox. And I find that that is so potent, so powerful just to be away from that. I I can't and it can really slow down. I, you know, meditate. Sometimes I just fall asleep. It's weird. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like if I'm really tired, right? I also use that time to slow down or to meditate. Um, unless it's not a seated one, but a lay down one, then I fall asleep. Yeah. Yeah. That you get into that chamber and it's like Yeah. Once you once you reach um I mean I I can fall asleep. It's kind of like I could fall asleep on an airplane, right? Before we take off, I'm I'm out. But in the chamber it's like before I'm even I'm so used to you know regulating my the pressure in my ears and you know the first time they ask me have you ever been you know how how deep have you gone diving I'm like this is going to be easy right so um so basically you go in and all of a sudden you're just like it's it's really blissful since we started recording my my thing has been beeping non-stop going crazy Apple Watch lasted one message on my wrist the first message I about this buzzing. I'm like, "Never. I'm not wearing this." But that's it. It's still in my drawer. And what do you think about that, too? Also, all of this this tracking. And when I first got my Apple Watch, I was like, "Oh, this is the coolest thing ever." And I was like setting all these goals and I was really into it and I was like making sure. Then over time, I'm like, "Yeah, but that's why you have to do it shortterm intentionally. You track yourself for a week or two. You make conclusion. you adjust your habits and then you track again yourself maybe after four months or 6 months. You know, same with continuous glucose monitor. You don't wear it all year round. You wear it for 12 days or a week and you see what's working for you, what's not in your diet. You make adjustments and then you don't wear it until until the next time. You feel like you need to tune in again. So, it's great for short-term use intentionally. I don't like any devices on me tracking devices because of everything. It's we can go deeper in that but like I don't know there is so much we don't know. There is a it's emitting green light to your like uh meridians very important meridians. It's still a stimulation and there are so many other things. Yeah. Then you know it is weird to think that like you've got a 5G connection on your wrist emitting green light. Yeah. constantly to very sensitive points in your body. Yeah, that is really true. Yeah. So, um let's go back to the CGM. So, you'd advocate for somebody, anybody just to do a CGM and and track how they, you know, because some people there's so many different diets, right? I mean, there are people that are like keto, they're carnivore, there's Mediterranean, there's all of these things. Do you feel like it's important for you to figure out which which foods actually work for you as an individual? Well, if you don't have health issues, complaints and you eating relatively clean and healthy diet, then I wouldn't worry now because we are bombarded with all the marketing. They try to convince you that you need this, you need tracking, you need this. I think you need people need to relax more. It's really the longevity is more in in not necessarily in overdoing and overtracking and losing your mind in this game of like staying forever young, but um if you have symptoms, if you have sugar crashes, if you're feeling weak after meals, tired, if you're snacking, feeling worse afterwards, you don't know what to snack on, you don't know how your body responds, you feel weird after your naps, you wake up in the middle of the night, it can really give you a lot of information. Like it's very common that people who wake up, let's say from 2 to 3:00 in the middle of the night, it's because they have this dip in in their blood sugar in glucose. So, it's interesting to see that what's waking you up and um and then, you know, maybe like a light protein snack before going to sleep would help you to avoid that crash. So, it can be super super informative. Let me ask you a question about that because that happens to me all the time. Could you take essential you know those um I don't want to name the brand because I'm not here to endorse any one particular brand but there is one brand and they say that is the perfect combination of amino acids essential amino acids. Could you take that in in replacement of that in the sense in the notion that it might digest slower and give you a more steady stream or is that something that you test with the CGM for that particular product? I don't know which we should look into caloric value. It's very they they say it's no low calories but I always choose whole foods for that to avoid to prevent that crash. You may want some chicken breast or something organic clean just a little bit of it to avoid that crash. But uh the root cause again it's not that you are lacking a chicken breast before sleep. The root cause is probably stress. Uh and it's very common also for people including me. It was a case where I didn't even know I'm stressing. It's a hidden stress you know where on the surface you're chill everything is good. Everyone who knows me, they think I'm really chill, but it's a hidden stress. So, it's just a different mechanism. Was that coming from the lime and the mold toxicity? The sin stress. There was a physical aspect where was probably also uh psychological aspect putting so much pressure on myself, demanding for myself to perform, to do things. Um, all of that. Yeah. You know what? Um that's maybe a good place for us to kind of wrap up in in the last topic to talk about which is the intense stress that peak performers put on themselves and you know these peaks and valleys that we go through. You know I see it trying you're trying to go trying to get up and then a lot of it's not sustainable. You're you're pushing so hard it's not sustainable to operate at that level forever. So, you know, you're coming back down, then you're trying to find your way back up to the top. That can be um pretty intense on on people. It sounds to me like you've found a way to sort of mitigate that in your process and come to a place of real peace and still achieve at the same time. Yeah, it's redefining what big performance is to you. It means to you in society. It's usually people understand it as productivity, producing, producing, producing more and more outcomes. But for me, big performance is not about that. It's really doing things from your heart at peace, not sacrifying your health. That's a big performance. When you can still be healthy, fulfilled, when you can still have happy relationship with your family members, with your friends, with yourself, your community, everyone. So it's not only producing, it's being at peace, acceptance, going at your own pace, not what someone else said or did. And what matters that you know we don't want to bear ourselves down to grave to that um our family members don't even see us in a process while we are producing producing producing something. It's redefining what makes you feel fulfilled and content. And uh you can still be very productive and produce a lot when you do it from a right place when it doesn't wear you out. Mhm. But it's a process. It comes for trial and error and learning. And beginning is I don't know people for who beginning was like ease and chill. It's all these peaks and valleys, ups and downs, and then later you kind of find a way that works for you personally or you don't or you don't. You burn and you burn, which is true. We see it every day, right? There are people out there that never figured out what exactly worked for them, right? They're they're in kind of a difficult situation. So it's again it's blessing in disguise being more sensitive person because we feel the downside of pushing too hard sooner. So we see consequences sooner. A lot of people who are not that sensitive physically or emotionally, they push hard and they don't feel any side effects of that until they break down until it's like I don't know it can be any time in your life 40 65 years old and when some illness some autoimmune condition something severe you know and then that's really difficult to repair. Well, parting thoughts. Anything you want to share before we go? Okay. One thing I really want to say, it's it's not only for people to always advocate for your own health, but one thing that's really close to my heart is as a doctors, how can we do better? How can we get rid and put aside this medical arrogance? How can we uh step out of this thinking that we have to know everything and admit that science is constantly changing? It's impossible to know everything. That medicine is not black and white. There are so many nuances and just to be more open-minded. It's really, it really hurts me seeing practitioners who become very close-minded and don't accept other information and other thinking and they think that way is the only way, their way is the only way. I really encourage more humility to bring in the work we do and uh be more open-minded. You know I I admire science and it's reading scientific studies that's part of my daily life but same I admire frequency medicine everything what it's still very hard for our brain to comprehend but when you see that it works it's miracles miracles happening with all these other methods as well frequencies light vibration and muscle testing how much our body can provide, how much information. So yeah, that's my invitation just to be more open-minded, get rid of this medical arrogance because I think it's a it's a collective issue the world is experiencing. That's what I wanted to share. That's pretty profound. I don't think I've heard anybody say that in all the years of being in healthcare. So, well, it's been a pleasure to have you here and I look forward to having you come back when you come back. We'll have tons to really like we, you know, we'll go over all sorts of things. It'll be really interesting. There is more than wrap for sure. Such a pleasure. Such a nice conversation. Really? Thank you. Thank you. Hey, thanks everyone for watching the show. Please remember to like, comment, and subscribe. It really helps us out here at the channel. and share the video with someone who might be interested in supporting the charity that our guest uh mentioned in the episode. Thanks again. We'll see you soon.